Curse

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

What do you all think of a n/mo using healing or prot skills to support the party? With around 12-14 soul reaping + signet of lost souls, necromancers can use high energy cost spells like Heal Other or Prot Spirit to support the party. N/Mo prot necro would be a bit more helpful than a n/rt healer since it negates damage.

Lord Xivor · Mar 21, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Cure Hex[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

That is what I run regularly as N/Mo. Totally owns N/Rt in every way for HM.

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 01:34 AM // 01:34

is it worth having points in 3 attributes just for WoH and cure hex? i was thinking about replacing cure hex with remove hex and woh with zb or blessed light

Lord Xivor · Mar 21, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Hero's use ZB HORRIBLY, and higher prot is not all that necessary, to be honest. I guess it may be worth a try to use ZB with the good energy management of soul reaping. I haven't done it, but it may be good. Also, RC is an awesome elite to use in some areas, as well as SoD. Basically, I took my WoH hybrid build from my monk, threw it on a Necro, swapped out Dismiss Condition for Spirit Bond (which is awesome for HM), and swapped out Dwayna's Kiss for Signet of Lost Souls. Word of Healing is so overpowered, that even in the 10-12 range, it is still a very, very viable heal for its recharge and energy cost.

Lord Xivor · Mar 21, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Also, Blessed Light is a Divine Favor skill, so you wouldn't be able to use that.

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Oh yeah I forgot about blessed being a divine favor skill. thanks for the build

. going to change rebirth for restore life/res chant/res sig though

I pwnd U · Mar 21, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

WoH is probably the best elite for a non-primary monk. ZB is 10 energy and returns 3 when the person you heal is under 50% health. With WoH you heal for double if the ally is under 50% health. You should probably spec out something like 10 in HP, 10 in PP, and 12 in SR (with runes) Just my thoughts on it anyways.

the kurzick eater · Mar 21, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

SoLS is kinda useless because you should be targeting your allies not enemies

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I assume a hero could use that build effectively though and they can use SoLS well.

Lord Xivor · Mar 21, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Attributes: Soul Reaping - 7+3+1, Healing Prayers - 12, Protection prayers - 11
Skills: [skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Cure Hex[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]

That is actually what I am running. It is fairly adaptable as well, but as said before, I feel WoH is the best non-monk heal as well.

Note: Signet of Lost Souls is probably not needed...I am still trying to figure out if it is needed, and I honestly don't think it is, PROVIDING there is decent deaths. I run this with a minion bomber MM, so there is constant deaths triggering Soul Reaping. My prot/heal Necro has constant max energy.

SetraKave · Mar 21, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

I use Livia as my healer (about all she good for)...way better hero healer then any of the others. But I've been using the N/Rt build....thanks for posting the N/Mo Lord Xivor, I'll give it a try the next time I'm out. And as for SoLS, she uses it just fine...hero's will wand the enemies no matter what (unless they are on avoid) why not give her a purpose, have her reap some benefits from it.

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

What do you think of having 3 necros running that build just with different elites. Maybe one with WoH, SoD, and restore/divert depending on the environment. It works well with 3 n/rts but it might not work out with n/mo's.

MasterSasori · Mar 21, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Lord Xivor

Template Code:OANDYYzvOVVNSARLWPurTf0I
Attributes: Soul Reaping - 7+3+1, Healing Prayers - 12, Protection prayers - 11
Skills: [skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Cure Hex[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]

That is actually what I am running.

Looks pretty interesting. Have you tried this instead of the N/Rt in sabway's? Also why do you need both SB and PS?

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Originally Posted by Lord Xivor

I feel WoH is the best non-monk heal as well.

What?

Chthon · Mar 21, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by mistokibbles

I assume a hero could use that build effectively though and they can use SoLS well.

Last I checked, heroes will NEVER use SoLS if set to "avoid combat," and they will try to tank with their face if set to "defend." It's a lose-lose situation with the hero AI on this skill.

mistokibbles · Mar 21, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Looks pretty interesting. Have you tried this instead of the N/Rt in sabway's? Also why do you need both SB and PS?

I haven't tried sabway but i will soon. I just like having alternatives. I might try using 3 n/rt's using different spirits + elites too.

Lord Xivor · Mar 21, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Looks pretty interesting. Have you tried this instead of the N/Rt in sabway's? Also why do you need both SB and PS?

What?

Sorry, I meant that it is the best elite healing skill for a non-monk to use. And SB and PS because hero's are stupid...this way, they cast them on different party mates. As well, if you don't use the 600/smite build and are not aware, Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond go quite well together.

And yes, I use this INSTEAD of Sabway's build, because the triple necro build, though powerful, lacks in protection, which is much more important than straight up healing. The triple necro build also provides strong condition removal with Weapon of Remedy and Mend Body and Soul, but since the change to Foul Feast, I have been using a build with Foul Feast and Infuse Condition on my MM, which does just as well, in my opinion. I have found that the N/Rt healing build just gives insufficient healing. WoH here provides just as much healing as the N/Rt gives, but a very large amount of prot, which will negate much of the damage that would be given in the first place.

To each their own, I guess. There are many areas that I have been wiped with the N/Rt healer, but since running this, I have not.

Basically, this is what I run for my skill setup:

[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Cure Hex[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] - OANDYYzvOVVNSARLWPurTf0I

[skill]Icy Veins[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Rip Enchantment[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill] - OAhCY8xTVtmJ0sDWiywuL5C

[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Withering Aura[/skill][skill]Infuse Condition[/skill][skill]Foul Feast[/skill][skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill] - OAhjUwGpYSLVVBoB4BNfLCJgYMA

MasterSasori · Mar 21, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Lord Xivor

because the triple necro build, though powerful, lacks in protection, which is much more important than straight up healing. The triple necro build also provides strong condition removal with Weapon of Remedy and Mend Body and Soul, but since the change to Foul Feast, I have been using a build with Foul Feast and Infuse Condition on my MM, which does just as well, in my opinion. I have found that the N/Rt healing build just gives insufficient healing. WoH here provides just as much healing as the N/Rt gives, but a very large amount of prot, which will negate much of the damage that would be given in the first place.

Very nice. A few questions and comments:

1. I believe sabway's MM runs prot does it not? So technically shouldn't the original build have more maintenance?
2. I've always found the heal from N/Rt to be pretty darn good. Haven't tried WoH, but it doesn't seem as if it can keep up with the party heal N/Rt can give.
3. It seems that sabway's prot is quite minimal and I was skeptical about how these 3 necros would survive in HM. It turns out they are pretty resistant thanks to the synergy. Plenty of melee prot, less on spell casters but that is where BHA or SY/TNTF paragons come in.
4. If I have time, I will try this build out. Please also comment on any other strengths/shortcomings so I will be aware of what to look for.

Thanks.

ender6 · Mar 21, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

WoH is probably the best elite for a non-primary monk. ZB is 10 energy and returns 3 when the person you heal is under 50% health. With WoH you heal for double if the ally is under 50% health. You should probably spec out something like 10 in HP, 10 in PP, and 12 in SR (with runes) Just my thoughts on it anyways.

No, it returns 7 when it meets the below 50% condition.

Personally I still think you should make this a Pure Prot Necro and go with SoR. Leave the healing to your HB healer.